Comments on: Is the UK SEO industry in a mess? http://www.fusednation.com/seo/is-the-uk-seo-industry-in-a-mess/ Search Engine Optimisation (SEO) Blog and UK Online Marketing News, Gossip and Rants. Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:58:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Shireen Smith http://www.fusednation.com/seo/is-the-uk-seo-industry-in-a-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-31965 Shireen Smith Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:48:15 +0000 http://www.fusednation.com/seo/ripping-off-big-brands-with-seo-services/#comment-31965 Hello, Just came across your blog which I read with interest, having posted a blog about the need to negotiate proper contract terms before parting with large sums to SEOs. There is a link to our blog from the website, but its url is www.azrights-ip-lite.com I would love to sort out a standard user friendly contract which SEOs could offer to their customers. That would be a small step towards solving what is a huge and growing problem. There are also other steps that can be taken, and for now am looking to form links with people like yourself. I hope you will look at my blog and maybe even comment on it? Hello,
Just came across your blog which I read with interest, having posted a blog about the need to negotiate proper contract terms before parting with large sums to SEOs. There is a link to our blog from the website, but its url is http://www.azrights-ip-lite.com
I would love to sort out a standard user friendly contract which SEOs could offer to their customers. That would be a small step towards solving what is a huge and growing problem. There are also other steps that can be taken, and for now am looking to form links with people like yourself. I hope you will look at my blog and maybe even comment on it?

]]> By: Saptarshi http://www.fusednation.com/seo/is-the-uk-seo-industry-in-a-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-27868 Saptarshi Thu, 28 Feb 2008 07:57:13 +0000 http://www.fusednation.com/seo/ripping-off-big-brands-with-seo-services/#comment-27868 good post indeed, I don't think that these issues are going to be resolved anytime soon. particularly, as you have mentioned, even some of the big agencies are also taking their clients for a ride.. why to blame the small ones. Though it might not sound very ethical and the probability of misuse is very high, I think its time we start taking "names" when we come across such so called SEO experts. This would reduce their business and save some of the clients from being fooled in the name of SEO. good post indeed, I don’t think that these issues are going to be resolved anytime soon. particularly, as you have mentioned, even some of the big agencies are also taking their clients for a ride.. why to blame the small ones. Though it might not sound very ethical and the probability of misuse is very high, I think its time we start taking “names” when we come across such so called SEO experts. This would reduce their business and save some of the clients from being fooled in the name of SEO.

]]> By: Marketing Guy http://www.fusednation.com/seo/is-the-uk-seo-industry-in-a-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-21063 Marketing Guy Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:44:12 +0000 http://www.fusednation.com/seo/ripping-off-big-brands-with-seo-services/#comment-21063 Cheers for the comments guys. :) Scott Cheers for the comments guys. :)

Scott

]]> By: Nick James http://www.fusednation.com/seo/is-the-uk-seo-industry-in-a-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-20390 Nick James Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:04:21 +0000 http://www.fusednation.com/seo/ripping-off-big-brands-with-seo-services/#comment-20390 Interesting ideas. It really riles me that some of the tactics used by the 'big boys' would see us little guys hung, drawn and quartered. A well considered post. Interesting ideas. It really riles me that some of the tactics used by the ‘big boys’ would see us little guys hung, drawn and quartered.
A well considered post.

]]> By: James http://www.fusednation.com/seo/is-the-uk-seo-industry-in-a-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-20354 James Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:52:50 +0000 http://www.fusednation.com/seo/ripping-off-big-brands-with-seo-services/#comment-20354 Im such a moron I scanned through that post and didnt realise your Marketing Guy. Commenting on Blogs when hungover is not the best of ideas Im such a moron I scanned through that post and didnt realise your Marketing Guy. Commenting on Blogs when hungover is not the best of ideas

]]> By: James http://www.fusednation.com/seo/is-the-uk-seo-industry-in-a-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-20353 James Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:46:36 +0000 http://www.fusednation.com/seo/ripping-off-big-brands-with-seo-services/#comment-20353 Just came across this post it is pretty good.Though I would warn about outing dubious SEO companies but I guess you know that if you know the above 2 commenters. It is not uncommon for Big Brand names to blow loads on advertising, I suppose if they are big enough then spending xx,xxx a year doesnt mean that much. Coke spend more than $2 billion on advertising and I dont think they need to get the Coke name about really. I suppose some companies have more money then sense! Just came across this post it is pretty good.Though I would warn about outing dubious SEO companies but I guess you know that if you know the above 2 commenters.

It is not uncommon for Big Brand names to blow loads on advertising, I suppose if they are big enough then spending xx,xxx a year doesnt mean that much. Coke spend more than $2 billion on advertising and I dont think they need to get the Coke name about really. I suppose some companies have more money then sense!

]]> By: Matt Sawyer http://www.fusednation.com/seo/is-the-uk-seo-industry-in-a-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-20350 Matt Sawyer Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:32:31 +0000 http://www.fusednation.com/seo/ripping-off-big-brands-with-seo-services/#comment-20350 Great post Scott, I couldn't agree more with what you say. Personally I find that the problem lies on three levels. Firstly larger SEO companies with aggressive sales teams knowingly overselling a crap service at unrealistic low prices and then not delivering on any of the promises were they made. Secondly you have smaller SEO consultants just not being up to the job through lack of knowledge. Thirdly web-designers who add SEO as a bolt-on service that just involves them adding meta tags and using it as an opportunity to charge a monthly fee. Over the past three months I'm dealt with someone who paid £700 (up front for a years work) and then never hard from the company again - criminals, not even close to being SEOs. I also lost a client who was ranking well to a web designer who redesigned their site who pitched to them for their SEO. When he got the job he changed their URLs without 301 redirecting, created flash pages and hid text and links (to his own affiliate sites) on their pages. Cue a rankings drop and the client coming running back within a month and me having to sort out a big mess. Ironicly the web designer in questions has since some to me asking about outsourcing is SEO! As you say, something has to b done to educate people about the process and what they should be looking for. An independant industry body would be nice, but that doesn't seem to be able to get off the ground. Having had experience of working with business organisations I know just how inept they can be. Sorry for the rant! Great post Scott, I couldn’t agree more with what you say.

Personally I find that the problem lies on three levels. Firstly larger SEO companies with aggressive sales teams knowingly overselling a crap service at unrealistic low prices and then not delivering on any of the promises were they made.

Secondly you have smaller SEO consultants just not being up to the job through lack of knowledge.

Thirdly web-designers who add SEO as a bolt-on service that just involves them adding meta tags and using it as an opportunity to charge a monthly fee.

Over the past three months I’m dealt with someone who paid £700 (up front for a years work) and then never hard from the company again – criminals, not even close to being SEOs. I also lost a client who was ranking well to a web designer who redesigned their site who pitched to them for their SEO. When he got the job he changed their URLs without 301 redirecting, created flash pages and hid text and links (to his own affiliate sites) on their pages. Cue a rankings drop and the client coming running back within a month and me having to sort out a big mess. Ironicly the web designer in questions has since some to me asking about outsourcing is SEO!

As you say, something has to b done to educate people about the process and what they should be looking for. An independant industry body would be nice, but that doesn’t seem to be able to get off the ground. Having had experience of working with business organisations I know just how inept they can be.

Sorry for the rant!

]]> By: Marketing Guy http://www.fusednation.com/seo/is-the-uk-seo-industry-in-a-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-16440 Marketing Guy Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:18:15 +0000 http://www.fusednation.com/seo/ripping-off-big-brands-with-seo-services/#comment-16440 Hehe :) Hehe :)

]]> By: Shaun Anderson http://www.fusednation.com/seo/is-the-uk-seo-industry-in-a-mess/comment-page-1/#comment-15736 Shaun Anderson Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:31:44 +0000 http://www.fusednation.com/seo/ripping-off-big-brands-with-seo-services/#comment-15736 Just be careful what you do say.... :) Just be careful what you do say…. :)

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